A Conversation about Judging the Prophetic Words

I have permission to quote this conversation, and it seemed like it might be helpful in answering questions. -Editor.

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Good morning,

I am a relatively new Christian, but have experience with the "charismatic" side of things (I go to a Vineyard church), and I'm just curious...how accurate do you claim these words are? As in, have they been "tested" (as Paul says to test all things)? If so, how? By whom? If not, are you leaving that up to us, the residents of the NW? Do you post every prophecy you get? If not, how do you decide what to post? What happens if someone disagrees with a posted prophecy?

Thanks,

What a joy to hear from you. I’m glad that you’re willing to ask good questions!

The website (http://www.northwestprophetic.com/) is not an attempt to judge the prophetic words. I am a longtime believer and a native to the region, but am in no way qualified to judge all the words for our region: I’m one of many believers in the area, one with some decades of experience with God, but not, probably, more than your pastors.

I do run a few of the words past some of the prophetic folks I’m in relationship with, but generally it’s pretty obvious whether a word belongs or not. When I am considering a word for the site, I’m looking for three things primarily: credibility, relevance, and attitude. I think all of the words have passed those three tests in my own mind, though I reserve the right to make mistakes. J I make the assumption that I’ve overlooked some words that should be posted, and posted some that are maybe more fluff than content.

For the credibility question, I’m looking for a word that comes from a “recognized prophet” with a proven ministry (not that there’s any National Registry of Prophets or anything J), or that the word comes by way of another leader with whom I have enough relationship to trust (for example, through their website, or perhaps they sent the word to me), or that the word comes from someone whose character and prophetic ministry I know personally and have reason to trust. That’s actually a pretty broad circle: I work pretty hard on not being exclusive to one “stream” or denomination or such.

The relevance question is a little easier: either the word will be about the Northwest (in one degree or another – and sometimes I only post the relevant portion), or it will be from someone in the Northwest, or it will be a word that is targeting a larger audience, but which I believe has significance in the Northwest region. I try to identify these last ones as “Not exclusively for the Northwest” or some such, and I try to identify the words that I’ve edited, and post a link to the un-edited version.

The attitude question is about, “Is this loving?” or “Is this ‘comforting, edifying and/or encouraging?’” If a word strikes me as judgmental or self-promoting or excessively “religious,” I may be inclined to hesitate. In reality I try to give folks the benefit of the doubt wherever possible, trusting you to judge as you need to. More on that in a minute.

I don’t solicit prophetic words at this point and thus far I have never posted a word that someone has sent me asking for publication. I have had some folks approach me recently with their prophetic words, and I will look for credibility, relevance and attitude before I consider any of their words. I also have not posted any of my own prophetic words, though that may also change at some point (if it seems credible, relevant, and has a good attitude J).

I want to avoid being legalistic about these things; that’s how I do it for now.

The site is designed first of all to be a tool for intercessors. I know there are many people praying for our region, and praying according to God’s revealed plan is likely to be the best kind of prayer. The first and most important revelation of His plan is the Bible of course, but we already have Bibles published. A lesser source of revelation, but an important one, are the prophetic words over our region, and I have been unable to find any place where those had been gathered together, whether in print or online. So I began the task of gathering them myself. I’ve been startled by the interest in the site.

Beyond intercession, I aspire to have a reference by which Northwest believers can build realistic expectations of what God has said He wants to do in our region, and to respond to Him accordingly; I’m both getting and giving some training based in part on some of these words.

I didn’t have this in mind, but I find that the “Northwest Prophetic” website has helped some people build a sense that this really is “our region,” and nobody else is going to take responsibility for it. I consider that to be a good thing, especially if it translates into prayer for revival, or hunger for God, or other yummy things. Eventually, I expect that we’ll have other resources specifically for the church in our region, or at least I’m praying (and planning) that direction.

But you are correct: I leave judgment of the words up to the recipients of the prophetic words; in this case that’s you and me and the rest of the believers in this region. If a particular word doesn’t work for you, that’s OK: don’t pray that one; there are many others to pray! I trust the Holy Spirit in you to guide you accurately. For myself, I tend to look for trends: I see several words about healing in our region, so I can ask God with some confidence to release healing gifts in our region.

If you know of some prophetic words that you think should be included, by all means, please send them. If you’d include things like who gave the word, and when was it given, and such, it will help me evaluate credibility, relevance and attitude better.

As to if someone disagrees with a word, well, I don’t know what I’d do. Never had it happen yet, or at least they’ve never spoken to me about it.

Bless ya!

Fast Strategies for the New Year

For months the Lord has been speaking to me about fasting, and then last week I felt God drop the Words “40 day fast” in my lap. It has become clear that this message is not just for me. I strongly feel that God is showing me an urgent need for a corporate 40 day fast for our region, involving any in the body of Christ who might be interested, to enable us to step into EVERYTHING that God has planned. That does not mean that everyone is called to fast or that everyone is called to fast food, although some may feel led to do so.

I hear the Lord calling for an awakening, and calling us together. I hear Him calling for ALERTNESS in this hour. It is dangerous to be asleep at this time. I have seen ALARMS going off in the spirit over our region preparing us so we will not be surprised by the all out attack of the enemy.

The Lord has shown me a massive demonic army being gathered in the spirit realm. Scenes from The Lord of the Rings best describe what I’ve seen. It seems that the enemy realizes before we do that we are on the verge of seeing Heaven’s plans becoming reality. So, his plan is to discourage us just before this region sees God’s plans taking place. He also plans to take more of a foothold in the area than ever before. But it is not just the enemy who is preparing for war.

God intends for the city of Olympia and the surrounding region to be a GATEWAY to HEARING the VOICE OF GOD for our nation. I believe that God plans for Olympia to become a place where HEAVEN’S SOUND is heard. A couple of years ago God gave me a vision of the PUGET SOUND shaped like a horn, pointing into the ear of Olympia. I saw that this region is to hear the sound of God to an extreme degree. God speaks in many creative ways, and I believe that He wants to birth an amazing, creative movement to impart HIS VOICE to this region and this nation.

Different regions across our land hold keys to spiritual doorways into different aspects of the spirit realm. Hollywood is a gateway (movies good or bad), Nashville is a gateway (music good or bad), Kansas City is a gateway (24 hr houses of prayer). Each area seems to have a different flavor or touch of God’s Spirit, and a different calling that is meant to be a key to our entire nation and ultimately the World, for the coming revival to reach its full potential. I believe that Olympia is called to be a gateway of God’s presence, through which God wants to reveal a part of Himself to the nation.

Instead, this region has been infiltrated with New Age and Witchcraft. This has caused confusion and the voice of the enemy to be heard on the streets instead of God. I believe we have been seeing a deaf and dumb Stronghold (Stronghold as opposed to just a spirit) manifest. A spiritual Stronghold means an entrenched belief pattern, in a person, region or even nation where either truth or lies dwell in safety, strongly defended. Jesus said of the Boy with epilepsy, also called Deaf and Dumb spirit in other passages, “this kind comes out only by Prayer and Fasting.” I believe the specific strongholds over our region will only loose their grip on our land by corporate prayer and fasting. I believe a 40 day fast represents a breaking of old cycles and a coming into the promises given to us long ago.

Many of us have just come from long seasons in the wilderness, or we are battle weary and need a time of recouping in the presence of God. I see many of us coming full circle. Many have laid aside the promises God gave long ago thinking maybe those promises weren’t for them, or just not for now.

As we are getting closer and closer to the end of days and the culmination of world harvest the enemy is getting desperate. It always gets worse before it gets better.

Well the Lord is saying, “IT IS FOR NOW, RIGHT NOW and I want you to fight. But you need to fight in ME and My STRENGTH, not in the flesh.” It is time for a season of circumcising our hearts, to come in tune with God and make sure our antennas are truly connected to what HE is saying and not what our flesh is saying. God is getting ready to have us step into our long awaited promises, but not without a fight and not without us re-checking our hearts to make sure they belong completely to Him.

So I am proposing a 40 day corporate fast specifically for breakthrough in our lives, and for the Olympia and the Puget Sound region, beginning January 1st and ending February 9th (last day of Revival Town's When Heaven Invades Earth Conference being held in Olympia).

December 28 2007

Ramona M Wallace

Olympia a War Zone


December 11 2007 7th Day of Hanukkah Olympia a War Zone

Change is coming to ALL who are here in this area. Nothing will be the same. A dividing line is occurring. Those who choose faith in God and choose him over all else are going to find themselves expanding and growing into new depths this year. There IS NO WAY to stay where you have been in this next season. This is not a plateau season. You will either; follow after God and expand or you go in the other direction. This area is in a war zone. God is calling in recruits from all over to help with the war that is getting ready to take place over this territory. This is a strategic move, because both the enemy and the Spirit of God know this place is strategic for the next season.

God is going to be opening doors in this next season. An alert is going out! Do you hear the warning sirens going off!!! I see red flashing lights just like in my dream (dragon dream). Get where God has called you IN THIS SEASON! Don’t assume where HE had you last is where HE wants you now. You might not make it if you are not hearing from the source for direction in the coming years ahead. It pays to be in contact with the living God, Lord of all! Who AM I? I hear the Lord chuckle and then say (as if to emphasize and impress it into us) by saying, “I AM the Lord of ALL Creation including you! I AM HE who was and IS! I AM HE who made you and moved you where you are now living, I created you with my life’s breath, and I AM HE WHO Delights in you, and gives you favor everywhere you go! Dance with me a little longer child. Dance over this territory. Dance and make known that I AM and IS and will BE! Sing over this territory! Dance in the streets of Olympia as my viceroy. You proclaim by your movements what will come to these city streets. Thousands more like you will flood these city streets with praises. This city will not just be known as the city that hears my voice, but will be known as she who answers and speaks my name with Endurance, Peace and deep abiding LOVE!

Awaken the prophets! Awaken them; call all who have been sleeping! Call them awake so they will join MY forces in this city fully awake and ready for battle! The time for battle has not fully come yet, but it will! Take your positions! THIS WILL NOT BE ANOTHER ALAMO! Tell your fellow warriors, this battle can be won! I AM calling through you for reinforcements from all across this land. Many you will not even meet. Some are being sent to different divisions, but know that you must call in reinforcements! Awaken the priests and priestesses of my presence. So many have fallen asleep, tired! Awaken them. Call assemblies, BUT let it be in MY time, not your own. I AM just letting it be known you are entering a new season so be ready for the changes about to take place in ALL AREAS of your lives.


12/11/2007 Ramona M Wallace

Fire In The Northwest!

Deborah Voetberg

With the fires that have been raging over the Northwest this past month, the Lord reminded me of the word He had given me two years ago concerning His fire hitting Washington State and the Northwest region.

1 Corinthians 15:46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. (NKJ)

Get ready for an awakening!

Washington Fire 11-24-99

THE VISION

I saw a map of America and a bright blazing sun rising from the East. At the same time I saw the Mighty Right Arm of God stretched out. As the sun went across America, so His arm also went across America. As the light hit the land, it hit MASH Units, filled with wounded soldiers of God's Army. They were lying on cots. bandaged up. Some were sitting up, not as wounded as others...lots of doctors and nurses tending to them. Simultaneously as the sun and Right Arm of God moved over these units, the soldiers had the opportunity to rise up and be healed or remain behind.

As the sun and Right Arm of God went across the map of America, the light became brighter and brighter as it drew closer to the West Coast. I saw Washington State, it was black. Because it was so dark, the sun's light was brighter than it had ever been and it hit Washington State like a ball of fire! It ricocheted off the state and it was brighter than any light that had shone forth before. Washington State was transparent and clear. The sun moved back over the map of America with a greater light and fire!

THE INTERPRETATION

There have been many words concerning the revival God has planned for the Northwest Region. I believe this is another confirmation of what is soon coming to Washington State. But also of what is already happening across America.

The sun rising from the East is the light of Jesus Christ that is already going across our land. Picking up intensity as it goes. The greater the darkness, the greater the light. Washington State has always been known for it's darkness, how great will be her light!

The Right Arm of God is very significant and not to be overlooked. The Right Arm of God represents many things: Lovingkindness toward His people...(Psalm 17:7) Glorious power and bringing forth of judgment against His enemies...(Exodus 15:6) It chastises His children... And acts valiantly on their behalf...(Psalm 118:15 & 16) It brings judgments & deliverance ...(2 Kings 17:36 & Exodus 6:6) It brings salvation... (Isaiah 52:10 & 53:1) and releases authority over men, beasts, & the earth. (Jeremiah 27:5)

Along with the Arm is coming the Light. The light exposes darkness and makes the way for truth to come in. The Right Arm of God brings lovingkindness and at the same time judgment. All of us will be given the opportunity to yield under the mighty Hand of God, and when we do, we will Arise and Shine as in Isaiah 60:1-3. Darkness is covering the Earth and great darkness the people, BUT the Lord will ARISE over you and His Glory will be seen upon you!

Deborah Voetberg

Via Dabar Ministries

WIND STORM PROPHETIC WORD

Chuck Pierce said, “I’m going to tell you, as a sign, you watch the winds start hitting Oregon as a sign that says, ‘I am blowing away the old season out of this region.’”

At the finish of this statement, Denny Cline, pastor of Albany VCF, stepped up on the platform and announced, “Yeah, we just found out that there’s a storm that’s supposed to hit tomorrow like the Columbus Day Storm [of 1962].They’re comparing it to the 1962 storm that hit. That’s the biggest storm that’s ever hit Oregon that we know of. In 1962 on Columbus Day, it had 100 MPH winds. They’re comparing this. They said it’s supposed to hit tomorrow (Sat 12/1/07). Now I don’t know if we should pray to lessen this thing or what. I don’t know. I’ll leave that up to you (speaking to Chuck Pierce) ya know, but I mean that’s incredible!”

Chuck Pierce: “You know, I always prophesy in the nick of time! I’m mean, really now, I’m shocked! I’m just going by the word here [he had just read from Is. 41: 14-16 and was commenting on this passage being fulfilled in the church this coming year.] Now what we want to do is ask the Lord to lessen any damage, but to awaken the people of God because the cleansing wind is going to come and blow away the past season.”

His teaching this night had been centered on Zech. 2:13 as well as Is 41:10-16 and he said we were already in the new season and that it started in the 7th month, which is the Jewish New Year. He says prophesy is based on the Jewish calendar, not the Roman one we use. Therefore, he believes we are already well on our way to seeing the new season of victory promised to us last year, a year of warfare and contending for the breakthroughs we have believed are on the way.

CHUCK PIERCE PROPHETIC WORD 11/30/07
What is God Saying for 2008? Elijah List Conference
[Given at Albany Vineyard Christian Fellowship, 2:00 PM]

for reference:

Storm's two-fistedness is what gave it near-record punch

by The Oregonian
Monday December 03, 2007, 7:30 PM
The effects could challenge those of the Columbus Day Storm of 1962

By the time it rumbled ashore late Sunday night, the storm dubbed a "monster" by forecasters began to show its teeth. It mowed down large swaths of forest, severed electrical, transportation and communication lifelines and dumped copious amounts of rain.

In meteorological terms, it was a mid-latitude cyclone, churning with power that began as typhoons, and exploded with hurricane-force winds over the Pacific Ocean as it was energized with cold air from Alaska.

"We usually get big windstorms or big rainstorms, but not both at the same time," said George Taylor of the Oregon Climate Service. "With this one, we had near-record wind and near-record rain at the same time."

At the height of its fury, the storm stretched more than 4,000 miles, with its main impact felt from Florence north to Bellingham, Wash. Triple-digit winds -- 129 mph at Bay City on the northern Oregon coast -- and sustained winds of 60 mph to 70 mph wreaked havoc on coastal stands of trees, their roots weakened by as much as 10 inches of rain.

Wolf Read, a meteorological consultant with a keen interest in wind in general and Pacific Northwest windstorms in particular, said peak gusts at Newport and Astoria topped those recorded during the infamous Columbus Day Storm of October 1962. Wind gusts during the Columbus Day Storm reached 127 mph in the Willamette Valley, and many stations had gusts between 75 and 100 mph.

The winds might even have been higher at Newport and Astoria this time, he said, although he can't be sure because weather data was interrupted when the power went out.

Read said although the triple-digit gusts Sunday and Monday were impressive, the sustained winds of 60 mph to 75 mph are what caused "windthrow," a natural phenomenon that affects thousands of acres of forests in the Northwest when it happens once every 10 to 20 years. Large patches of trees -- often near clearcuts or roads -- get blown over en masse, knocking out power and blocking roads.

"Those are Category 1 hurricane-force winds, and that doesn't happen very often. The potential for tree damage is incredible," Read said. "Such storms – mid-latitude cyclones -- have a reach far beyond that of a typical hurricane . . . and can cause damage into the hundreds of millions, even billions" of dollars.

Read said he was skeptical last week when forecasters with the National Weather Service in Portland first mentioned the storm's potential impact -- until, he says, he looked at wind speeds over the ocean.

"The truth is, the weather service went out on a limb and that takes guts," he said of the early warning. "But they were justified in doing it. This storm was a once every 40- or 45-year event, even for the coast. It's storms like this that may slowly erode the memory of the Columbus Day Storm."

Although rainfall amounts totaled less than during last year's record-setting rains in the coastal mountains near Tillamook, fast-responding rivers such as the Wilson, Trask, Nehalem, and Willapa in southwest Washington, rapidly reached flood stage.

As fast as the rivers rose, they began to recede, said Andy Bryant of the Northwest River Forecast Center. He said the Wilson and Nehalem rivers crested above flood stage at about 2 p.m. Monday. The Wilson River never matched the level it reached last year, but the Trask rose higher than 2006, pushed there by massive rains, and Bryant said, "much higher seas."

He said that after the cold front moves to the east by Tuesday morning, northwest Oregon and southwest Washington will be looking at showers, a bit of rain and cool temperatures, and a slow drying trend into the weekend.

Stuart Tomlinson
stuarttomlinson@news.oregonian.com

The Oregonian